Red Screen after MOAB / Spectator only for Admins and up

Discussion in 'Suggestions' started by MoFo, Jun 20, 2019.

?

Should #1 or #2 or none at all be implemented

  1. #1

    80.0%
  2. #2

    26.7%
  3. NONE OF THOSE

    20.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. MoFo

    MoFo Commander Commander Kombat Syndicate Donating Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2019
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    506
    Relationship:
    Married
    #1 so i was wondering if there is a way(script) to keep the screen normal after a moab is triggered either by your or the enemy team cause its so difficult and sometimes frustrating to spot enemies when the screen goes red-ish after the moab!

    #2 another point i wanted to make is the abuse of Spec Mode some players do! i mean if there is a guy that they dont want to play against so they wait till he leaves the server or another instance is when they just want to chat, end point to that is they are taking up spots for players that might wanna join but cant cause of those who abuse spec mode so making !spec for admins should be implemented! i know some of you will say but what if a hacker is on and they wanna gather proof? well there is still the KILL CAM!
     
  2. TheOnlyObelix

    TheOnlyObelix Aimbot? High Councillor Kombat Syndicate War Team Ban & Unban Team Donating Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,096
    Likes Received:
    1,352
    Relationship:
    It's complicated With Dreqzh
    I like this suggestion about red screen removed after moab. It would be cool to try out. I don't think it would bother a lot of people if it were removed, instead I think I'd only make people happy. I like the idea and i'd be down to test it out. I'm not sure about only allowing admins to spectate. Sometimes we get a lot of reports from people that spectate hackers and post their demos in discord/forum. Removing that possibility would only make it more difficult for us to catch those cheaters. They can, like you said, still see killcams but imo it's less effective.

    If players are abusing spectate and are just sitting there to chat/afk then I'd suggest just to kick them. If they wana talk they can do it privately.
     
  3. ~FeGo~

    ~FeGo~ Catch n Spot Hacker 2 Commander Kombat Syndicate

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2018
    Messages:
    600
    Likes Received:
    462
    Relationship:
    Single
    #1 i agree with you, i really can't see enemies when any moab has been dropped...if it is possible to create script and stop making screen red after moab then we all agree.

    #2 well, i think this is might be fixed by our kS script, any normal player wait alot in spectator mode get kicked...maybe reduce the limited time for them?
     
    $KILLER likes this.
  4. Maverick

    Maverick Master Admin Master Admin Kombat Syndicate

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2019
    Messages:
    157
    Likes Received:
    131
    Relationship:
    Married
    For the first i totally agree, i hate that red screen.
    For the second one, i think it may be a good thing to lock the spectate mode at 1 minut for normal users, unlimited to admins.
     
    TheOnlyObelix and $KILLER like this.
  5. MoFo

    MoFo Commander Commander Kombat Syndicate Donating Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2019
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    506
    Relationship:
    Married
    maybe then make it so if no admin is online ppl can join spec but if admins are online they cant?!
     
    #5 MoFo, Jun 20, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2019
  6. OMGItsDarky

    OMGItsDarky OMG >> Its Darky High Councillor Kombat Syndicate Recruitment Team War Team

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    1,414
    Likes Received:
    1,371
    Relationship:
    Married With $KILLER
    Guys : only admins are allowed to spectate if they just don't want to play


    It's been since ages, we tell the players who just sit and spectate it they refuse to join we used to kick them!!!
    Reason : only admind are allowed to spec


    It's an old thing

    Agree with the 1st suggest but I hope it exists
     
  7. MoFo

    MoFo Commander Commander Kombat Syndicate Donating Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2019
    Messages:
    442
    Likes Received:
    506
    Relationship:
    Married
    its an unwritten rule so no one knows it and we the never admins also dont know about it
     
  8. LeiTRoSaS

    LeiTRoSaS Help and Respect Honorable Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    4,304
    Likes Received:
    5,016
    Relationship:
    Single
    The EMP had equivalent effect on Adminship monitoring. It difficult the spotaged and location of players.
    EMP had been removed by blockying it.

    If somehow that possibility is valid for MOAB please concider to effect it on EMP as well.


    There are different perspectives that allows us to percept the universe of the question.

    !spec command drives user to a place where is not filed on any team.

    Being NOT playing: or on spec mode or on team before class choice. Both allow you to not be on server playing, but allowing access as stuff like following players, or taking freedom to chat.

    Admins have tools to control SPECTATORS.
    !w spec - warns player that he can't be on spetor for too long on full server.

    !w afk - warns players that he isn't allowed to be away from keyboard for too long.

    !w <described message> - warns a players from whatever reason, non explicit on warns, that admin feels need to add, to better ordinate behaviours.

    Auto system - script
    kS script have a list includind Admins that will have different condicions from regular users. !addadmin will allow staff to put admins on it. The best advantage is that it can be made actions for all user, but excluding Admins.
    AFK - automatic kicks spectores for too long (not sure but i think time is seteed as 2m)

    Geting to know the script and his proceedments leaded me to conclud that there is a lacune on script.
    Targeting SPECTORES will only detect players in spector position, failing those that are on team without class.

    Otherwise i can't see how can you evolve this system. It's got all the necessary tools for an admin succeed on ordinating best behaviours.


    I also would like to notice the fact that with that vision there will always be the risk of not including/concerning/respecting NON ADMIN members.
    I still will enforce the idea that users are determinant to server/community success.
    This community as built links with NON ADMIN members that are constantly enforcing with their best to help in any way or form this community in cleaning servers. Those users activates the alerts that arrive to admins, by the diffeerent report tools.
    Even if community does not distingue function of users, doesn't mean it haven't been applied on clouded forms.
    People that creates good bounds and friendly links are named kS Friends.
    People that creates good bounds and dedicate to improve enviroment have no name. In other gaming community they can be called as Clan Helpers. My point is, even if you do not distingue this people, doesn't mean they wont help. It's happening everyday. People comming to discord alerting admin from problems observed. Reporting cheateres on servers, etc etc.

    From mine point of view. I'm a friendly person that loves to help. The link with me and community is weak (few permissions and attentions).
    If admins do not value my enforcage to help on improving, easialy i will step out.
    And just cause litelness many can go away... just like that

    It's a bad vision if you agree that community if from admins. That are admins the best peaces. That non admins are useless.

    Beaware in how you treat the world. (in the inner lines you could be defining, unconsciously, your self believes)


    LeiTRoSaS
     
    #8 LeiTRoSaS, Jun 21, 2019
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2019
    lenu and TheOnlyObelix like this.
  9. CntrlAltDel

    CntrlAltDel Aegis of the Kombat Syndicate Staff Member Co-Leader Kombat Syndicate Recruitment Team IT News Team Ban & Unban Team

    Joined:
    May 15, 2016
    Messages:
    1,261
    Likes Received:
    1,924
    Relationship:
    Single
    @PsychoMantiZ With regards to the red screen after MOAB I think it's supposed to kinda be a hindrance it's essentially a server-wide ultimate ability. At the moment since it's global everyone is affected and hindered equally even the person who dropped it. In my opinion it shouldn't be removed, it is annoying though but that should be motivation enough to try to stop people from getting it. Kinda an unspoken/unintended mechanic that works on the psyche.

    Even prior to you joining the community we had a server that had grenades disabled for Dome, grenades which I'm sure everyone can agree with unanimously are annoying asf but somehow no one played on that server and opted instead to fill the vanilla HC Dome server with the nades. Nades which are more of an immediate issue relative to the red screen effect and yet had so little of an audience. Just something to consider.

    As for the suggestion about the player spec'ing I'm not sure that it can be abused by non-admins since there is an auto-kick on players who sit too long in spec. If I remember correctly it says "join the game" or something. Maybe @WatchMiltan or @neRo! can confirm if this is still the case. If auto-kick isn't implemented and I'm mistaken I believe we shouldn't go out of our way to implement it since the boon of not having user level players auto-kicked outweighs the need for kicking players who intend on abusing the system since the user level players can spec cheaters who more often than not require quite a bit of demo footage to get banned.
     
  10. neRo!

    neRo! Leader Staff Member Leader Kombat Syndicate Recruitment Team Ban & Unban Team Donating Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2016
    Messages:
    2,128
    Likes Received:
    2,815
    Relationship:
    Married With
    The spectator kick for regular players is implemented into kSscript, but I am pretty sure it's deactivated on (most of) the servers.
    As @CntrlAltDel already said, question is if it we should allow regular players to use the spectator because they may be able to take evidence of hackers or if it's not needed to allow it. Are regular players often using the spectator to take evidence of hackers in order to report them to us?
     
    CntrlAltDel likes this.
  11. lenu

    lenu Commander Commander Kombat Syndicate Donating Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2018
    Messages:
    839
    Likes Received:
    595
    #1. I remember, I saw how on some server MOAB looked like a quiet cotton just and the color of the screen did not change.

    #2. I don't see problem here, because I do not remember that players on our servers could be spectate mode long time. They get auto-warning and auto-kick later, if not joining in game.
    Always was this that only admins can be in spectate mode unlimited time.
     
  12. Ruzz

    Ruzz Master Admin Master Admin Kombat Syndicate

    Joined:
    May 8, 2017
    Messages:
    81
    Likes Received:
    72
    Relationship:
    Single
    1: Im done to try no moab effect cause everyone complains when u call it in when its like 10+ mins left, but u cant really wait to call it in cause it's a high risk u get balanced.

    2: As @TheOnlyObelix said that there is alot of players who goes to spec to record a potential hacker and send it to us on either disc or forum, if we take that away its doing to be harder to get report of hackers if they dont join the other team and let the hacker kill them, but people doesn't think of that so..
     
    TheOnlyObelix likes this.

Share This Page

iHax Comunity/